JW's are slaves- but not in a good way

by joey jojo in

i was reading about the american slave trade again recently.

as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.

every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

joey jojo

I was reading about the American slave trade again recently. As anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading. Every time I read the history, I'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

I came across an unsettling quote from a publication written in 1850 which described how slave owners can produce and maintain the 'ideal slave'.

Maintain strict discipline and unconditional submission.
Create a sense of personal inferiority, so that slaves "know their place."
Instill fear.
Teach servants to take interest in their master's enterprise.
Deprive access to education and recreation, to ensure that slaves remain uneducated, helpless, and dependent.

Sound familiar?

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What Is The Most Ridiculous Thing You Have Heard From A Witness?

by minimus in

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friends

i remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.

he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.

interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.

joey jojo

A ministerial servant giving his first talk told us from the platform that children need to be supervised at all times.

He then went on to tell us a story he had heard about a couple of 2 yr olds that were left in a car, had sexual intercourse with each other while the adults went into a store.

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Last days as defined by the 'still current' Reasoning book

by joey jojo in

reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the jw org website):.

last days.

definition: the bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things.

joey jojo

@Sir82, to be honest, I have no idea if they consider the Reasoning book current.

Its actually been a while since I visited the JW org website and what I find intriguing is the sheer amount of the WT library that have no active links, meaning of course, that unless you have a physical hard copy of the book, there is no way of reading the information. (Apart from sites like this).

For an organisation that has printed books virtually non-stop since the late 1800's, you would think that the JW.org library would be far more extensive, but they are only prepared to make a fraction of these books available for research.

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Last days as defined by the 'still current' Reasoning book

by joey jojo in

reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the jw org website):.

last days.

definition: the bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things.

joey jojo

Reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the JW org website):

Last Days

Definition: The Bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things. The Jewish system with its worship built around the temple in Jerusalem experienced its last days from 33 to 70 C.E. What occurred then was pictorial of what would be experienced in a greatly intensified way and on a global scale at a time when all nations would be facing the execution of judgment decreed by God. The present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”

And then this...

If Someone Says—

‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’

‘Matching world events to this prophecy is like matching a fingerprint to its owner. There will not be someone else with the identical print. Likewise, the pattern of events that began in 1914 will not be repeated in some future generation.’

Hmmmm....

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Looking for older article in Wtbts regarding “tigers teeth and claws” being designed for coconut husk removal.

by notjustyet in

i hope i’m not imagining this but jace not been able to find the source.

even looked deeply into jwfacts site and still can’t find it.

basically the way i remember it was there was a article trying to explain away the “teeth and claws” from a tiger that alluded to it being a meat eater from the beginning.

joey jojo

If all animals were vegetarians prior to Adam and Eve sinning, that means God must have broken his own perfect rules and worked on his Sabbath to change the physiology of animals afterwards.

Cut and pasted from Wikipedia....

Obligate carnivores, or "true" carnivores, are those carnivores whose survival depends on nutrients which are found only in animal flesh. While obligate carnivores might be able to ingest small amounts of plant material, because of their evolution they lack the necessary physiology required to digest that plant matter. In fact, some obligate carnivorous mammals will only ever ingest vegetation for its specific use as an emetic to self-induce vomiting to rid itself of food that has upset its stomach.

For instance, felids including the domestic cat are obligate carnivores requiring a diet of primarily animal flesh and organs.[5] Specifically, cats have high protein requirements and their metabolisms appear unable to synthesize certain essential nutrients (including retinol, arginine, taurine, and arachidonic acid), and thus, in nature, they can rely only on animal flesh as their diet to supply these nutrients.[6][7]- Wikipedia

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Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.

by Wasanelder Once in

roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.

in one sentence tell why you left the org.

not 2 sentences.

joey jojo

The entire history of the WTBTS has consisted of presenting speculation as God-directed truth, of which total belief and obedience is expected, only to change it when it is proven wrong- while still claiming to be directed by God.

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How long is a generation?

by LevelThePlayingField in

what splain does in his talk and chart illustration is make the leap that a generation can have two groups.

and in this case the two groups span more than 108 years.

but no where in scripture is there ever a notion that a generation has two groups.

joey jojo

Its really simple.

Jesus (allegedly) said that some of the people who were alive right then as he was speaking would STILL be alive to witness the events leading up to Jerusalem's destruction. There was no 'NEXT' or 'OVERLAPPING' group.

Up until 1995, JW's preached that some people that were alive to witness the events of 1914 would STILL be alive to witness the destruction of this world at God's hand. There was no 'NEXT' or 'OVERLAPPING' group.

I don't want to confuse the issue but another way to look at the stupidity of the change is this; My Grandfather passed away in 1987. I was alive while my Grandfather was alive and so our lives overlapped. He witnessed world war 2 but I didn't. According to the theory that the FDS is espousing, that makes me a part of the generation that saw world war 2, even though I wasn't around to witness it.

Sound stupid?? - Yes it does.

Using their theory in the other direction of time, this also makes my Grandfather a part of the 'facebook generation'- even though he passed away 20 years before it was launched, because my life and his 'overlapped'.

I actually cant believe the FDS are getting away with this complete misinterpretation and twisting of a simple concept. They should just say they were wrong about 1914. But we know that will never happen.

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Accepting Your Shadow(Jungian)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

when looking inside one's self to find your authentic self requires a brutally honesty with yourself.

the shadow side of ourseelves is where we stuff a lot of things we don't like about ourselves, stuff we have repressed, not all is bad stuff, some very good.

understanding your shadow side and unrepressing things in it can restore balance to the psyche and make one more whole and more creative as the psyche becomes unstuck from denial and suppression of natural instincts.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg1cvp4u5sy.

joey jojo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OufK0647p1U

Here is a great song about it, with an explanation supplied. :)

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The laziness of JW parents....

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me that the society has created a culture of lazy jw parenting.. rather than parents being there to guide and direct and help their children through all stages of life, the gb / society has become the "go-too" for everything.. if the child has an issue, there is a wt article for that.. does the child need help with something else?

ah, there is a caleb and sophia cartoon for that.. what about that other topic?

ah, there is a book for that.. so rather than being present parents, the average jw parent simply outsources their parenting to the organization!

joey jojo

This is a subject close to my heart.

I have witnessed JW parents do the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM they have to just so they can be called 'parents' and not have themselves reported to child welfare.

My own Mother actively discouraged me from finishing senior high-school. Her quote: 'its all garbage, and its all going to end soon'. The year was 1986. Because I believed her, that one simple sentence set the trajectory of my working life.

Less than 5 years later, after the damage had been done, she left the org, never to return. I realised she was using the org as an excuse to be a selfish parent and once her children were old enough, she was gone. There was no way she was driving her kids to after -school sports practise. School plays were out, because they were on a meeting night.....etc...etc...sigh.

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Is it ethical to have children?

by joey jojo in

this was a news article recently in an australian newspaper that caught my eye.. the premise was that to have a child is to inflict an extra human being onto the world and also, to inflict the world (with all its problems) onto the child.. there is a lot to say about this but from jw point of view, i have always believed it to be incredibly hypocritical that jw's have children in 'this system'.

all my life at the meeting i heard how little time we have left, how sick the world is, how i was probably going to be persecuted and end up in a jail cell for being a jw.

why would anyone want to become parents in this situation, particularly if they are confident there is only 'a short time left'?.

joey jojo

This was a news article recently in an Australian newspaper that caught my eye.

The premise was that to have a child is to inflict an extra human being onto the world and also, to inflict the world (with all its problems) onto the child.

There is a lot to say about this but from JW point of view, I have always believed it to be incredibly hypocritical that JW's have children in 'this system'.

All my life at the meeting I heard how little time we have left, how sick the world is, how I was probably going to be persecuted and end up in a jail cell for being a JW. Why would anyone want to become parents in this situation, particularly if they are confident there is only 'a short time left'?

All JW's talk about is how bad everything is- 'the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. They are taught to be 'no part of the world'. Surely bringing children into a world like this is being completely and utterly irresponsible if you are a JW that TRULY believes the things you are saying to householders.

To me, this is another reason to wonder if the average JW even knows what they believe. As has been said numerous times, most are asleep and are merely going through the motions set in place by their parents. They walk around on weekends saying things to 'worldly people' that clearly, they don't believe themselves. Having children in this world is a joy to Witnesses and that, to me is baffling.

joey jojo

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